Paul Roth claims that "interpretivists" in the philosophy of social sciences like Charles Taylor assume a positivist caricature of natural science to motivate their arguments against naturalism in the social sciences. Roth argues that not only is adopting the view of meaning relied upon by those he sometimes refers to as the "friends of understanding" unmotivated once the critique of positivism has been taken on board, he argues further that Quine has shown why this "meaning realism" is unavailable in principle. Roth bolsters his use of Quine against interpretivists by referring to Kripke’s reading of Wittgenstein on rule-following. But McDowell has shown how Kripke overlooks an alternative reading of those remarks, which provides "interpretivists" with arguments against mainstream naturalism and which makes no use of anything resembling "meaning realism." This opening for interpretivists is actually already present in Roth’s discussion of the distinction between "thin" and "thick" description. This suggests how mainstream naturalism itself might be rethought to accommodate interpretivism.